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0000191Cinelerra-GG[All Projects] Featurepublic2019-04-20 15:55
ReporterSamAssigned ToSam 
Status closedResolutionnot fixable 
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Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0000191: Removing unnecessary buttons
DescriptionThere is a trend in the big other NLE's to remove buttons that are not constantly used to make them easier to handle. The goal is to purify the already very complex programs. An example I notice very strongly with Cinelerra.

The FFmpeg button in the main window is always activated. I have no reason to use this button. For ergonomic reasons I would put this option in the settings and not in the main window of Cin-GG. In the main window I would only place buttons that are used regularly and often. I may also be wrong, but I don't think this button is often used by users. For this reason, I suggest to remove this button and set this option in the settings. It also suits my design to achieve a clearer surface.
I would also let the button "Show meters" disappear into the context menu of the viewer or the compositor. It is not an element that is used constantly and often. All other buttons make sense, but in my opinion this button could be removed and placed in the context menu or in the settings.
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2019-04-20 15:55

manager   ~0001389

There are currently no improvements regarding the buttons possible, so I close this ticket.


2019-04-19 18:06

manager   ~0001383

Thank you for the detailed explanation. I thought nobody used this button, so I was wrong. It makes sense to keep this button when it is still in use.

Only as a small hint, compared to the other NLE's the menus in Cinelerra are almost spartan. DaVinci Resolve or PP and also other NLE's partly have three times the length of the menus, one or two more menu items in Cinelerra are certainly not dramatic compared to the other NLE's. That doesn't mean that I'm a friend of long menus. Also one of the reasons why I opened the ticket This change makes the File menu much smaller and clearer and allows you to display more in the submenu.


2019-04-19 17:34

manager   ~0001382

Sam: "in the main window I would only place buttons that are used regularly and often" - this is a good goal. For example, gg thinks no one ever uses the Goto button so is a waste of space. On the other hand, he also does not like it when the context or pulldown menus get too long because on the laptop they take up too much space, for example View had 16 items. Yes, File has a lot too, but you have opened an Issue for solving that.

There is a valid reason behind the FF button in the main timeline window. The original Cinelerra and the CV version greatly emphasized the QuickTime native code and had barely integrated ffmpeg. When GG came along, he had to bridge the 2 so that users who were used to using QT, Vorbis, Mpeg, Ogg, Theora, and some of the long time formats would be able to use the GG version without being put off. This was in about January 2015 and at first the default was these original formats. Eventually, he became so enamored with the capabilities of ffmpeg, he switched the code from a default of "use ffmpeg last" to "use ffmpeg first" and deleted the QuickTime code. So the FF made it easy to go back and forth. With the new users, most would no longer even think to use anything but ffmpeg. HOWEVER, just like Glen can still run Cinelerra-GG on an older computer, we want to make sure that besides being able to run on an older computer, you can also easily get to the long time formats used by long-time users.

BUT most importantly, GG uses this button daily !! and he does not want to make it hard for him to test and to use it for making home movies on DVD using MPEG. The MPEG code in ffmpeg lacks a lot of necessary elements which makes it unusable for him, although it has improved some. That is not to say that I will not make an effort to get him to move it into the Settings pulldown instead in the future.


2019-04-09 09:10

reporter   ~0001325

I understand you for the clear gui, but I don't think that hide the "Show meters" button is a good idea (for me). I could add: why don't hide the Cut, Copy, Paste, Undo and Redo icons by the Compositor? How many users use these five buttons by Compositor?
Usually, in others NLE you don't find these buttons, there (mmh, mumble mumble, or yes?). You find them in Timeline.
Moreover, Adobe Premiere have a lot of button that Cinelerra haven't, for example Roll, Slip, Slide and so on (I refer to the old Pro2 version, but also the new have it -I saw on Youtube- ).

After all, I think, that Cinelerra haven't so many button in the gui; instead it has a lot of shortcut like in Blender. ;-)
For example, to have a shortcut for "DVD Render..." and "BD Render..." I really don't understand (newly Off topic, sorry).


2019-04-09 08:36

manager   ~0001324

I forgot to mention that I like the idea with the audio mixer. A graphical view like this is certainly useful for the final mixing of the audio tracks.


2019-04-09 08:28

manager   ~0001323

I don't want that option to go away. "Show meters" should still be available, but in the context menu or in the settings. Cinelerra is overloaded with buttons that are rarely used. When I look at Adobe Premiere or DaVinci Resolve, they have many settings in menus. Their surface looks tidier. Only the very often used buttons appear in the graphical user interface. You said yourself that it is deactivated most of the time. So why should a button that is hardly used be visible all the time? It is enough for me if I can set this option via menus. We will never achieve a clear modern interface if we are not able to tidy up.


2019-04-09 08:14

reporter   ~0001322

For me "Show meters" button in the Compositor and in the Viewer is fundamental. In the Compositor I always use it to check the dB value. In the Viewer, "Show meters" mainly is disabled but sometimes to check "the spoke" (of a person) in a source video I see there.
For the FFmpeg button I can understand you but it do not disturb me: there is also CMD button together.

Instead I would like to have an Audio Mixers like in Lightworks. Maybe in a future.
Sorry, Off Topic.

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2019-04-08 20:07


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Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2019-04-08 20:00 Sam New Issue
2019-04-08 20:07 Sam File Added: Main_window_without_FFmpeg_Button.jpg
2019-04-08 20:07 Sam File Added: FFmpeg_button.jpg
2019-04-08 20:07 Sam File Added: Show_meters_button.jpg
2019-04-09 08:14 IgorBeg File Added: LWKS-AudioMixers.jpg
2019-04-09 08:14 IgorBeg Note Added: 0001322
2019-04-09 08:28 Sam Note Added: 0001323
2019-04-09 08:36 Sam Note Added: 0001324
2019-04-09 09:10 IgorBeg Note Added: 0001325
2019-04-19 17:34 PhyllisSmith Note Added: 0001382
2019-04-19 18:06 Sam Note Added: 0001383
2019-04-20 15:55 Sam Assigned To => Sam
2019-04-20 15:55 Sam Status new => closed
2019-04-20 15:55 Sam Resolution open => not fixable
2019-04-20 15:55 Sam Note Added: 0001389