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@Pierre, @Phyllis , attached is a text file with from what I can see/suspect are incorrect french translations. There are also some generic issues not related to the language. Phyllis, please let me know if I should make separate BT entries for those.
20200614_CinGG_FR.txt (2,932 bytes) |
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Wikipedia infoboxes (actually software infobox templates) are different per language. Apart from the pure text, as soon as there is a "fieldname = value", apparently a lua script gets to fill it in. This works different per language. Some will by default pick data from Wikidata, some will not, the FR will unless you specify "fieldname =-" . Some have control over size of logo and/or images in the infobox (and in EN it is different than in FR), in IT multiple infoboxes on the same article are not all the same size and you cannot control the size. The templates are not always easy to find (except FR and IT which have a clickable thingy at the bottom right which shows fields and explanations). In other words, an excellent way to spend dark winter evenings if there is nothing else worth doing :-( |
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@MatN Thank you, you've done a great job with these multi-league pages on Wikipedia. I notice that the information boxes in the English version are much more compact than the French (and Deutsch) version. I think the size of the English version is less invasive and preferable, I don't know if it is possible to make these unification adjustments without it being very difficult. |
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Fixed, and managed to get infoboxes to size too, plus text corrections. |
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In the French version... |
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@MatN In the English version on Wikipedia of the page about Cinelerra, in the box dedicated to Cinelerra-CV, the web address listed is that of the "Heroine Warrior" site. While in the English version it is that of the old Cinelerra-CV site, which is much better; it redirects to the CinGG site... |
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@Pierre, I am modifying the french .po file to fix "spectateur" to "visionneuse"and image-clé / images-clé to versions without the minus sign in between. Do you know of any other wrong translations? |
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@Pierre, Well, I published it, with a real hack to avoid picking up unwanted screenshots and logo. Hopefully one of the reviewers will have a better solution, it doesn't look nice but at least the info in good. One of the items I got questions about is that the HV version could handle very large images. I tried HV 7.2 with a 28k x 20k picture and it crashed (just like CinGG, but cinGG crashed nicer). So I removed the statement from the FR wiki page, will do the other languages as well. |
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@Pierre, I have no yet published it, 1 issue still to be corrected. And I was also busy with the DE and IT versions, where I also need corrections. |
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@MatN The page translated into French of the current English text on Cinelerra from Wikipedia, does not seem to have been replaced by the new version, The link (on the English page) to the French version still displays the old outdated page. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinelerra Is this normal? |
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Page active. But it behaves slightly different from my user page version: it picks up data from Wikidata. Have to find out how to avoid it. |
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2004-08-16 I'm sorry my mistake. Merge con la versione comunitaria CVS. A questa versione sono stati aggiunti speciali miglioramenti, ad esempio H264 Kod. Cineon, usato al NAB sotto Fedora 1,2 e BSD 5. Con questo formato si possono gestire pellicole 4k 4096x4096, se la scheda grafica lo permette. Frame rate superiori a 210 fotogrammi al secondo per portare un video HD a 720x480 29,97 direttamente in timeline da una videocamera. Risolti i bug di video4linux con il chip Zoran. "Bug risolti" is OK. Thanks for your Job; go on with the publishing. :-) |
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I've processed all the quotes, the increase in length is not so bad. Quite acceptable. Some notes: - 2004-08-16 : This I had translated with deepl, wasn't in your file. Can you check it please? - Is "bug fix" accepted in Italian. In most places I've replaced it with "bug risolti" or similar. - The "Dave Kline" dead link works on the EN page. There a bot has automatically updated the link with one from the archive machine. I have to investigate if this is also available for IT. The same goes for the "Making the cuts" awards link. - Some CV links are gone, this applies for all languages. I still have to find a solution, I leave them in (dead) for now. If you don't have any serious problems, I´d like to publish. There are some catagories at the bottom which are automatically created, have not figured out how. |
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Since not wanting to translate the quotes is just a personal preference of mine, I enclose the translations and leave it to you to use them.
quotes-wiki-it.txt (5,546 bytes) |
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Signore, you know best, my Italian is limited to "marconi" and "pizza" :-) Let's leave the comments untranslated. |
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I'm not fast. I had already done an old translation, I just updated and completed it. Technical English is a very precise and concise language. Often a word is enough to describe complicated concepts (i.e "Trim"). Italian is the opposite of English: whole sentences to describe simple words and multiple sentences to describe simple sentences. I tried to translate the quotes into English, but after 3 or 4 attempts I gave up because the result was long, very long, and illegible. I have noticed that the translations in Español, Deutsch and Français are literal and therefore long and complex compared to the English ones. So I could do it too, but I don't like the result, and I'd rather leave some parts in English. I think the same for CinGG: I don't like Raffaella's old translation (per CV) and I use the program in English. I could make a new translation but, as far as I said, I would leave almost half the words in English, displeasing all Italian readers (except me!). IgorBeg, what do you think? * Anyway, if you still want them in Italian, I'll translate them. Let me know. I enclose the required corrections.
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@Andrea_Paz, Regarding the comments in the version history table, they should be translated, because in the NL/DE/FR versions they are also translated. Can you do that or shall I do it with deepl and you check the translations? |
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All done, except the section name "varianti" . I make this distinction: - fork (take a program, develop it under a different name) - variant (same program, (almost) the same name, looks mostly the same, internal changes) - version (different release of the same program). Strictly speaking , Lumiera is a fork, but as long as there is no working program... If you change a section title, the content picks it up. There is no content structure that you manualy edit. Thank you for the quick reaction. I am amazed that you had the page translation so quickly. I need to sort out some links, which are dead or inappropriate. Unless you find something really wrong, I hope to replace the old page tomorrow. Also, is it good to indicate that a link is in english, such as already done for a few under Riferimenti? It is obvious from the title usually, but it a language is preferred, it is easy to add. And for the comments in the history table, in the FR page (not yet up) is is all translated. What is better for an Italian? Finally, if the Wiki page is renewed, what is the state of the IT GUI translation (.po file)? Do you use that or the english version? |
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The file... I'm sorry
error-it-wiki.txt (1,537 bytes) |
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Great job, thank you. I enclose a list of minor translation mistakes I made. |
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@Andrea_Paz, 1. Preliminary italian page at https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Manitech/Cinelerra , I think I processed all your text, links still need some work. Please check if you have a moment. 2. Logos is a problem. If you want to upload to Wikipedia or variants thereof (commons, Data), the main requirement is that you give permission for anyone to modify it. This is incompatible with https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/cinlerra-gg-logo-usage-guidelines/ , point 4 . So I don't think we'll have a logo there. |
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@MatN I enclose the odt file of the translation. I've also put some official logos of CinGG in it, because in my opinion there is a lack of graphics in the CinGG section. Sam may be able to provide you with better ones. Two little notes: - in the first line I think it's better to put "NLE, Non-Linear Editing" instead of "...Editor". - last line of the "Interface" section; it ends with "]" while it should be ")". wikipedia-it.tar.gz (113,917 bytes) |
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@Andrea_Paz Thanks! I would be happy if you could do the italian translation. I have to set up a personal page first, and the wiki code is not always the same between languages, but I get it started this week. |
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@MatN Yes, while reworking the end of the text, I realized that the Heroine Virtual website was only in English. So the section titled "NEWS" has no French equivalent "NOUVELLES". As it's a title, I thought it would be better not to confuse a visitor and therefore to maintain "NEWS". Usually when I choose to leave an English term in a French text, I usually put it between " ", but in this one I wanted to change as little as possible your existing translation and I didn't put any " ". I am not familiar with the procedures that official translators follow. I just hope that if someone more familiar with these rules sees mistakes, they will correct them... |
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@MatN Reading the wikipedia entry, I realized what a great and beautiful job you did. My compliments! PS: if you're interested, I can provide you with the Italian translation. |
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Thanks, I am updating the french Wikipedia. One question: In the "historique" section, you use two different translations for "From the Heroine Virtual website's NEWS section¨ a) De la section NOUVELLES du site web Heroine Virtual b) De la rubrique NEWS du site web Heroine Virtual Which one should be used? Regarding the french GUI, there are some more things to be corrected, like image-clés to image clé and the viewer's window title. I propose to keep this BT open till that is good too. |
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MatN Attached, my suggestions for changes (in red) to the rest of the existing translation of the French Wikipedia page. Corrections Wikipedia 2e partie.doc (131,072 bytes) |
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Ok, then I'll start making a list of what needs changing for the french GUI. |
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Images clés |
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Thanks! Is it images-clés or Images clés . Because CinGG has it with the - in between. |
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No, "spectateur" doesn't mean the same thing at all as "visionneuse." |
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Yes "visionneuse" is a good translation for "viewer"... |
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@MatN Yes "viewer" is a good translation for "viewer". I had to interrupt the correction of the translation I had started to deal with other situations. I could finish it in a few days. I am sending you in attachment what I already have. My suggestions for changes are in red. Corrections Wikipedia 1e partie.doc (121,856 bytes) |
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Also, what should the "viewer" be called in the french version. In the main program it says "afficher la visionneuse" but the actual window has as title "spectateur". As far as I know they mean the same, is there a common-used (in NLEs) french word for this? |
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@MatN All right, I'm working on checking this translation, but it's going to take me a little while to complete it. |
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@Pierre, I hesitate to ask, but if you have time and are willing to do some language checks, I have prepared (but not yet published) a complete new Cinelerra page for the French Wikipedia, in the same layout as the EN/DE/NL ones. The translations were all done by deepl.com but I cannot judge if the resulting French is not silly or weird. The page is at https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Manitech/Cinelerra . If you cannot do it, fine too. The logo is still missing, I hope to fix that this week. |
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@Pierre I will update the fr.po with your changes tomorrow. Every translated word helps - especially the ones that are often used. |
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@MatN That's right! For someone who doesn't speak French, you have an eye... very French. Me, I think I've now become just too good at English to notice what isn't French. @Phyllis Okay, well... Here's what I had prepared: "Intruments / Generators" should be translated by: "Instruments / Générateurs" "Modulation Effect" should be translated as: "Effets de modulation" "Delay Effects" should be translated as: "Effets de délais" "Dynamic Processors" should be translated as: "Processeurs dynamiques" "Filters and Equilizers" should read: "Filtres et égalisateurs" "Distortion Effects" should be translated as: "Effets de distorsion" "Tools" should be translated as: "Outils" "Video Effects" should be translated by: "Effets vidéo" "Color Correction" should be translated as: "Correction de couleurs" "FF Color Correction" should be translated as: "FF Correction de couleurs" "Blur" should be translated as: "Flou" "Denoise" should be translated as: "Débruitage" "Extract Keys"... (I don't know how to translate these keys...) "Geometry"... "Géométrie" ... (Seems a less appropriate translation) "Scale" should be translated as: "Échelle" "Time" should be translated as: "Gestion Temporelle" "Audio Transitions" should be translated as: "Transitions audio" |
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Okay... I was just getting a translation ready, you beat me to it. |
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@Pierre I have made the corrections and it will be checked in as soon as Pierre verifies that this is correctly stated. |
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