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0000477Cinelerra-GG[All Projects] Bugpublic2020-08-14 07:53
Reporterhouku Assigned ToPhyllisSmith  
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityalways
Status acknowledgedResolutionopen 
PlatformlinuxOSendevourOSOS Versionrolling release
Product Version 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0000477: cinelerra is pretty buggy
Descriptionokay, so i just got cinelerra working today, and decided to give it a shot, while im at it, im greatfull for everyone here trying to help make cinelerra the best, however, some of the effects seem to not do much like blue banana, and some that supposed to work like resample, dont work, from my understanding, resample is supposed to speed up the audio, but it doesnt, either that or im doing it wrong, i want to learn everything from cinelerra and every feature, but i cant really do it alone, meaning i need some youtube tutorials, but the channel of cinelerra GG, isnt exacly english and i find it hard with subtitles, i like cinelerra so far for as much as i used it (which is low), but i cant really work in a software that might have a feature i need (like resample) and just not work, however, whenever those bugs are fixed, in which im not going to say all the features that dont work because there are many and im lazy to check each one individual, i will be more then glad to use cinelerra as a main editor
Steps To Reproduceadd the effects
Additional Informationsome effects dont work
TagsNo tags attached.

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houku

houku

2020-08-14 07:53

reporter   ~0003922

so i have good news and bad news about the speed change (with reframe_RT), i saw on this page: https://git.cinelerra-gg.org/git/?p=goodguy/cinelerra.git;a=summary that the speed change was sort of "finished", and i was curious to how it works now, since i use arch system, i used the AUR to install the latest github version, and i will say, it works BETTER then before, but a small issue still exist and i thought i will report it now so it will be fixed before the next release, (basically the cut is going to the next video while it supposed to be on the previews clip)

report.f4v (3,657,693 bytes)
houku

houku

2020-08-11 09:36

reporter   ~0003903

yeah, tried the new option... and this happened... lol XD

not working, but it was funny in mu opinion how it just randomly happened while i was happy to finally edit

report-2020-08-11_12.28.05.mp4 (262,192 bytes)
houku

houku

2020-08-11 08:55

reporter   ~0003902

@Andrea_Paz

thanks for the respond, i found the speed curve and i will say it works better then reframe_RT with that it doesnt take a different timeset from the video after a cut,

it will take some getting used, but im REALLY glad i can finally use cinelerra-GG as my main editor and more then agree to change my workflow a bit for it :D
Andrea_Paz

Andrea_Paz

2020-08-11 06:39

manager   ~0003901

For the use of speed curves alias speed auto, (very convenient and simple) try the following tutorial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yVeFepdvaU
houku

houku

2020-08-10 11:56

reporter   ~0003899

@PhyllisSmith

i think i misunderstood,
was the "fix" basically getting the results i got? or was it an actual fix that will help me work better in cinelerra when it comes to speeding up and slowing down video?
houku

houku

2020-08-10 04:11

reporter   ~0003898

@PhyllisSmith

i dont see misunderstanding, but when i went to the link you provided for me to check it works, in reframe_RT i got the same result, and i didnt see any new speed effects, if there is, i would like to know the name, so i can check it, (i didnt find speed auto)
PhyllisSmith

PhyllisSmith

2020-08-10 04:08

manager   ~0003897

I think I must be misunderstanding -- the fix that was added is what you reported with your demonstration file of report.mp4 in your previous note. Which was:

"when i speed up a video (and probably even without) and cut from one part to another, the cut either goes to a different area of the video, or its completly gone, idk if happens just to me, but it happens often and i just shacked it off because i wasnt inside REALLY deep into the projects at those times,
idk how to even explain this but it basically changes the video itself to a different part of the time of the video."
houku

houku

2020-08-10 03:49

reporter   ~0003896

@houku

i should also specify i downloaded the file too..
houku

houku

2020-08-10 03:46

reporter   ~0003895

@PhyllisSmith

i would love to test it, however, i cant find any of the effects mentioned, and the reframe effect is still not working (same result in it)

PhyllisSmith

PhyllisSmith

2020-08-10 01:13

manager   ~0003893

@houku
GG has made a "fix" and what we have tested is working well. There is an Arch (EndeavorOS??) static tar available at:
   https://cinelerra-gg.org/download/testing/cinelerra-5.1-arch-x86_64-static.txz
Although it is a lot of work for you to test this, it would be appreciated because if we did not get every expected case fixed then we will not know until after the August 31 builds if it is OK.

One thing to know is: "When working with edits and the speed auto, if you make a "cut" in a section, the speed curve values should not change over the remaining playable edits. It is possible to easily add "disjoint" curve points at the boundaries of the edit to preserve the curve shape."
PhyllisSmith

PhyllisSmith

2020-08-07 02:45

manager   ~0003888

Last edited: 2020-08-07 03:21

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@houku
You explained it well with the attached .mp4 files. GG looked at this and said "yes, this is a bug and it is a tough one to fix". Don't wait to report bugs because you think we may already know about it because we often do not. Different users do different things and you would be surprised how users do something we never expect.

Just a note -- 22 bugs were fixed in the July release and with only 1 major programmer there is only so much can be done -- I wish there were no more bugs!

houku

houku

2020-08-06 20:24

reporter   ~0003887

fix for the previous note i added:
idk how to even explain this, i was holding back from reporting this because i didnt care enough and was like "if it happens to me it probably happens to everyone so it might fix itself soon", but NO, a new version was released and i still get that bug!

so whats happening is:
when i speed up a video (and probably even without) and cut from one part to another, the cut either goes to a different area of the video, or its completly gone, idk if happens just to me, but it happens often and i just shacked it off because i wasnt inside REALLY deep into the projects at those times,
idk how to even explain this but it basically changes the video itself to a different part of the time of the video.

report-2.mp4 (1,847,191 bytes)
houku

houku

2020-08-06 20:12

reporter   ~0003886

this is an extreamly annoying!!! (i would make a new report issue but it doesnt take me to the page)


idk how to even explain this, i was holding back from reporting this because i didnt care enough and was like "if it happens to me it probably happens to eve>

so whats happening is:
when i speed up a video (and probably even without) and cut from one part to another, the cut either goes to a different area of the video, or its completly >
idk how to even explain this but it basically changes the video itself to a different part of the time of the video.

report.mp4 (1,847,191 bytes)
quintao

quintao

2020-08-02 08:59

reporter   ~0003864

Try using Time stretch RT to play with audio speed- you set the ratio of samples in/samples out, so 2 in/1 out will play double speed.
PhyllisSmith

PhyllisSmith

2020-07-20 19:27

manager   ~0003817

ResampleRT was fixed and checked into GIT. The fix will be included in the July 31 builds. Andrea has verified that it now works correctly.
Still looking at Andrew-R's suggestion for Time_stretch RT.
Andrew-R

Andrew-R

2020-07-17 13:19

reporter   ~0003810

@PhyllisSmith

> The input upper limit is 1000 and the output limit is 1/1000.

May be you can make those limits configurable in main plugin window, with some smaller default values? And 'accept' button ... Because _I think_ part of value of those plugins is exactly their ability to be reconfigured while playing ....
PhyllisSmith

PhyllisSmith

2020-07-15 20:24

manager   ~0003809

@Andrea_Paz (and houku)
It does appear that ResampleRT for an audio effect is broken and plays no sound. I will demonstrate to GG to see if he can fix it.

@Andrew-R
ABOUT "I tried TIME_STRETCH_RT on two audio tracks, and while it worked initially, at some point I deleted one number right of decimal dot (1.700 -> del 7 -> 1.000 -> del 1 -> 0.000) so field for number of output samples become zero briefly, all while timeline was playing = playback HANG!"

GG looked at the dump and the code. As it turns out, "technically" it did not hang -- you just did not wait 3 hours for it to finish !!!!!
Let me explain as best I can from what he said. The input upper limit is 1000 and the output limit is 1/1000. So with your temporary setting it would take 10,000 seconds to generate 1 second (i.e. about 3 hours). Currently there is no "interrupt" capability in plugins so there was no way for you to stop this (in a similar manner to which you stop a Render when you want to). Right now we have not thought of a good solution to prevent this. Any easy suggestions out there? I guess the workaround is to not change the number while playing.
Andrea_Paz

Andrea_Paz

2020-07-14 08:17

manager   ~0003804

Blue Banana's OK with me.

ResampleRT doesn't give me any errors, only that no sound comes out.

User Bins are OK with me
houku

houku

2020-07-13 19:05

reporter   ~0003801

okay, so while some effects dont work still, i got the files in media importing correctly, the solution is to:
 1) use the File -> Load files option
  2) pick the files in 1 folder that you want and instead of using the green colored checkmark, use the "Apply" button; it seems like the majority of the users use an Insertion Strategy of "Create new resources only" BUT it is just as easy to use "Append in new tracks".
  3) change the folder on the top line, pick more files, and use the "apply" button.
  4) repeat until done!
as @PhyllisSmith said,
im glad i fopund cinelerra and it finally working for me, i love it and hope it becomes best video editor that everyone will use!
PhyllisSmith

PhyllisSmith

2020-07-13 18:32

manager   ~0003800

@houku
"cant import multiple files from different folders" -- you just have to change your workflow a little. Here is a good way:
  1) use the File -> Load files option
  2) pick the files in 1 folder that you want and instead of using the green colored checkmark, use the "Apply" button; it seems like the majority of the users use an Insertion Strategy of "Create new resources only" BUT it is just as easy to use "Append in new tracks".
  3) change the folder on the top line, pick more files, and use the "apply" button.
  4) repeat until done!
houku

houku

2020-07-13 17:59

reporter   ~0003799

also, i cant import multiple files from different folders because it resets the media tab and timeline, i also tried bins but importing from different folder just removes the bin even if it has a clip in it
PhyllisSmith

PhyllisSmith

2020-07-13 17:55

manager   ~0003798

@houku
Interesting report! Probably you should not be trying to use "blue banana" as an initial attempt at using effects as it is one of the most complicated with lots of parameters - it is described in the manual on 8 pages which is too much to absorb. Use Color 3 Way or Color Balance as much simpler.

"Resample" to speed up the audio or the video work, but may not be obvious. Alternatively, most users use the "speed auto" instead which seems easier but could use some improvements. To use the Speed Auto, use the "View" pulldown where you will see the option "Speed" (10th one down). Enable it by clicking and you will see a colored line show up on the Video and Audio tracks. Left mouse click on the colored line and move it to speed up or down (the timeline thumbnails will get shorter or longer). Double click using the left mouse button to speed up/down the video and audio in tandem. Meanwhile, I will test Resample to see how it works and explain it better.

"need some youtube tutorials, but the channel of cinelerra GG, isnt exacly english" -- Sam, Andrea, and RafaMar have just opened up the YouTube channel so it will become more populated in the future. Unfortunately, most of the videos are not created by English speakers, hence the subtitles instead.
Andrew-R

Andrew-R

2020-07-13 15:22

reporter   ~0003797

yeah, I tried TIME_STRETCH_RT on two audio tracks, and while it worked initially, at some point I deleted one number right of decimal dot (1.700 -> del 7 -> 1.000 -> del 1 -> 0.000) so field for number of output samples become zero briefly, all while timeline was playing = playback HANG!

cin
Cinelerra Infinity - built: Jul 11 2020 10:07:03
git://git.cinelerra-gg.org/goodguy/cinelerra.git
(c) 2006-2019 Heroine Virtual Ltd. by Adam Williams
2007-2020 mods for Cinelerra-GG by W.P.Morrow aka goodguy
Cinelerra is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License,
and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under
certain conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for Cinelerra.

RenderFarmClient::main_loop: client started
^Csignal_entry: got SIGINT my pid=20333 execution table size=0:
** intr at 0xf7b8e829 in pid 20299, tid 20299
writing debug data to /tmp/cinelerra_20299.dmp
signal_entry: lock table size=1
lock_items: 0
lock_frees: 1
SigHandler::signal_handler total files=0
lock_items: 28
lock_frees: 8
** dump complete
^C

cinelerra_20299.dmp (156,888 bytes)
houku

houku

2020-07-13 15:00

reporter   ~0003796

i should also note that i cant import multiple files from different folders because it resets the media tab and timeline, i also tried bins but importing from different folder just removes the bin even if it has a clip in it

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2020-07-13 11:52 houku New Issue
2020-07-13 15:00 houku Note Added: 0003796
2020-07-13 15:22 Andrew-R File Added: cinelerra_20299.dmp
2020-07-13 15:22 Andrew-R Note Added: 0003797
2020-07-13 17:55 PhyllisSmith Note Added: 0003798
2020-07-13 17:56 PhyllisSmith Assigned To => PhyllisSmith
2020-07-13 17:56 PhyllisSmith Status new => acknowledged
2020-07-13 17:59 houku Note Added: 0003799
2020-07-13 18:32 PhyllisSmith Note Added: 0003800
2020-07-13 19:05 houku Note Added: 0003801
2020-07-14 08:17 Andrea_Paz Note Added: 0003804
2020-07-15 20:24 PhyllisSmith Note Added: 0003809
2020-07-17 13:19 Andrew-R Note Added: 0003810
2020-07-20 19:27 PhyllisSmith Note Added: 0003817
2020-08-02 08:59 quintao Note Added: 0003864
2020-08-06 20:12 houku File Added: report.mp4
2020-08-06 20:12 houku Note Added: 0003886
2020-08-06 20:24 houku File Added: report-2.mp4
2020-08-06 20:24 houku Note Added: 0003887
2020-08-07 02:45 PhyllisSmith Note Added: 0003888
2020-08-07 03:21 PhyllisSmith Note Edited: 0003888 View Revisions
2020-08-10 01:13 PhyllisSmith Note Added: 0003893
2020-08-10 03:46 houku File Added: Screenshot from 2020-08-10 06-45-35.png
2020-08-10 03:46 houku File Added: Screenshot from 2020-08-10 06-45-56.png
2020-08-10 03:46 houku Note Added: 0003895
2020-08-10 03:49 houku Note Added: 0003896
2020-08-10 04:08 PhyllisSmith Note Added: 0003897
2020-08-10 04:11 houku Note Added: 0003898
2020-08-10 11:56 houku Note Added: 0003899
2020-08-11 06:39 Andrea_Paz Note Added: 0003901
2020-08-11 08:55 houku Note Added: 0003902
2020-08-11 09:36 houku File Added: report-2020-08-11_12.28.05.mp4
2020-08-11 09:36 houku Note Added: 0003903
2020-08-14 07:53 houku File Added: report.f4v
2020-08-14 07:53 houku Note Added: 0003922