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0000521Cinelerra-GG[All Projects] Featurepublic2020-10-13 09:37
Reporterquintao Assigned ToPhyllisSmith  
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityalways
Status acknowledgedResolutionopen 
PlatformAMD Ryzen 3700XOS LinuxOS VersionDevuan Beowulf
Product Version 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0000521: Selecting edits & some improvements?
DescriptionI have been experimenting with selecting edits in DD mode and making groups.

What I notice is:
1. Selected edits/group can be copy-buffered, cut-buffered, muted, deleted, dragged about, sent to Clip

2. In Cut-paste mode, selection can be made with Ctrl-click on edits - I notice that copy and cut work with Ctrl key commands, but when dragging holding Ctrl, ONLY the first selected edit moves! A bug??

3. groups are useful so that you don't need to keep selecting some clips when you might need to do any operations on them frequently
Apart from that, any other importance of groups?

4. There is no way to apply an effect to all selected or a group, as obviously, without a modifier key, precidence for effect attachment is selection band, I/O points or single edit.

It would be good to Ctrl-drag an effect and it would attach to selected edits or group
Or have an option on the middle-button menu > Attach to pack

5. Middle-button > Collect Effects fails on multiple edit selection
- perhaps a pop-up could appear asking which effect to copy if the selected edits have different effects on them?

6. Middle-button > Paste Effects fails on multiple edit selection
- perhaps a pop-up to warn that multiple edits are selected, but to allow the attaching with an OK button?
Additional InformationI nave a growing list of tips for CinGG here ...could be of use to beginners, or to remind myself at least
http://dquinton.github.io/debian-install/tutorial/04c-cinelerra.html#3
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quintao

quintao

2020-10-13 09:37

reporter   ~0004255

Oh rats, so sorry, I misunderstood. I thought I knew what it did -- "Clears before toggle". Now I try it and what I said doesn't work, i.e. I thought selections cleared when toggling the mode ie. DD <-> CP.
I get it now, if checked must use Ctrl to select multiple, left click alone selects only one edit and loses other selections.

The word toggle though, that I don't get - what are we toggling? Especially as Cin GG has so many toggles for different things. A user will open Preferences and be confused by the option.

I agree with Igor here, Cut n Paste mode shouldn't need to have click-selecting of edits, it should be strictly drag select of a time lapse area or double click select time lapse of one edit on all tracks. It's easy to switch to Drag n drop mode for click selecting edits/grouping.
PhyllisSmith

PhyllisSmith

2020-10-11 18:50

manager   ~0004239

@quintao
Do you mean "Clears before toggle"? in the Settings->Preferences, Appearance tab when you stated: "And at last I understand what "Remove selections before toggle" means! I was confused by that option. even with it checked. Could it be changed to: "Clear selections when toggle edit mode"" ?? I am not sure yours and my understanding are the same. The Manual says "However, for those users who prefer the addition of the Ctrl key to add multiple selections as is commonly done for listbox operations, there is a preference in Settings → Preferences → Appearance tab, called Clears before toggle that changes the behavior." Unfortunately, I do not like this flag at all but it was requested as necessary to mimic other programs behavior. Changing the wording messes up all of the other language translations so I prefer not to do that -- especially seeing as how it does not make a lot of sense no matter what you say. Hopefully, any user confusion will be cleared up by reading that in the Manual.
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Simple explanation for: ""I also notice that in cut and paste mode..."Only one edit moves along after selecting multiple with Ctrl-left click. So if this is normal, why? why select three edits and only 1st selected can be moved in that mode?"
Before the expanded group editing capabilities were added with moving edits, etc. there was what I call the white rectangle + bow tie feature available this provided 2 useful things which make a precise insertion possible:
1) You drop an edit when bow ties >< are shown, that edit will be cut and pasted starting at the edit boundary indicated by the centre of the bow tie ><. Following edits on the same track will move. If you drop an edit when there are no bow ties >< shown, the original edit will be muted and pasted where you dropped it. No edits will move. A silence will appear in place of the original
edit.
2) When you drag your chosen media from the media folder to the timeline, your mouse pointer will drag a thumbnail and, once over the timeline, the outline of a white rectangle, as big as the edit you are going to have.
These 2 make a precise insertion possible.
IgorBeg

IgorBeg

2020-10-11 08:07

reporter   ~0004236

@quintao
When GG implemented the "Drag and Drop" feature (multiple selections, MMB, group, ...) time ago, a discussion came up about. At that time I told that, for me, how the two modes work had to be distinct. For me, in "Cut and Paste mode" we should do things that in "Drag and Drop mode" you can not and vice versa; I can understand some common points between them. For me, to be able to select some clips like you do in "Drag and Drop mode" is wrong, but other Users prefer so.
I almost always use the "Cut and Paste mode": select with I-Beam, Copy, Paste, trim, Roll, Slide,...
I never use "Cut and paste mode" to select some clips (with red frame) and move the clips, group in "Cut and paste mode".
If I needed that, I press 'e' key to enable "Drag and Drop mode".
quintao

quintao

2020-10-11 02:03

reporter   ~0004234

@Igor,
comment 2 on cut and paste mode - Let merephrase it, "I also notice that in cut and paste mode..."
Only one edit moves along after selecting multiple with Ctrl-left click. So if this is normal, why? why select three edits and only 1st selected can be moved in that mode? This means that selections in one mode ≠ selections in the other mode in terms of moving. IF it is better to use Drag n drop mode for dragging edits then I suggest perhaps disable it altogether in Cut n paste mode? Well its up to you all, my mind is cloggy with a fever :(

And at last I understand what "Remove selections before toggle" means! I was confused by that option. even with it checked. Could it be changed to: "Clear selections when toggle edit mode"

Compliments appreciated! I don't pretend to be a Linux expert either, there's alot of stuff that's beyond me. Make sure you check out these pages... for the ultimate Linux build: Bootstrapping... and for the ultimate file browser for Linux: Ranger - I haven't used a GUI file browser for the last 7 years!
IgorBeg

IgorBeg

2020-10-10 07:40

reporter   ~0004232

quintao wrote:
2. In Cut-paste mode, selection can be made with Ctrl-click on edits - I notice that copy and cut work with Ctrl key commands, but when dragging holding Ctrl, ONLY the first selected edit moves! A bug??


 It is strange you wrote this because on the top of your description I am reading: I have been experimenting with selecting edits in DD mode and making groups.
I think DD means "Drag and Drop mode".
However, It is not a bug, because you are in "Cut and Paste Mode". To do that you must change to "Drag and Drop mode"; you can use 'e' shortcut to toggle the mode in a fast way.
(I always use it with Preferences-> Appearance-> Flags: Clear before toggle=checked)
You can see it on my old video http://www.visi1.org/cinelerra-gg_tutorials#DragAndDropEditing

PS:
Really great site, quintao. I am ignorant in Linux, so I can learn a few of things there. Thanks!
quintao

quintao

2020-10-08 10:19

reporter   ~0004220

@Andrea, thanks man, good you think so! I mainly try to keep the Debian tricks updated, like how to install. But I've been using CinGG intensely the last few weeks (after waiting for free time) so that I've updated lots there too. Links? sure, but remember that I haven't updated any scores on the others in a few years! Well they could protest if they liked.

@PhyllisSmith, what I did was, in cut/paste mode, Ctrl-click on 3 edits, video track only, holding Ctrl drag edit A along to end of track, release, only A moved :(
PhyllisSmith

PhyllisSmith

2020-10-08 02:09

manager   ~0004217

Last edited: 2020-10-08 02:09

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"2. In Cut-paste mode, ... but when dragging holding Ctrl, ONLY the first selected edit moves! A bug??"
When I tested this, it worked for me -- is it possible that you dragged video to audio track or audio to video track? or was 1 of the edits on a disarmed track. Or maybe I did something differently?

"3. any other importance of groups?"
It is always surprising what users do so maybe there is more than can be done with groups that we are unaware of, BUT their main purpose is to keep them together, aligned, and subject to similar operations (not necessarily frequently but just that you do not want them to be interfered with).

"4. ...Attach to pack" Good Idea !
"5. ...Collect Effects fails on multiple..." Good Idea !
"6. ... Paste Effects fails on multiple..." Good idea !

PhyllisSmith

PhyllisSmith

2020-10-07 22:44

manager   ~0004214

@quintao:
About 2 or 3 years ago, I looked at your other webpage (http://dquinton.github.io/debian-install/tutorial/04b-video-editors.html) and there were several items in the "Cons" column for CinelerraGG. Today when I looked, I saw only 3 !! 1) multiple windows needed not just one -- I do not see this in my crystal ball as changing; 2) no shortcuts settings -- I see this one, even though very difficult; 3)
only one backup file is kept -- I also see this one in the future too.
Andrea_Paz

Andrea_Paz

2020-10-07 14:08

updater   ~0004210

[OT]

Great website you did. My compliments!
Can I post the links on CinGG and the video editor comparison on the forum?

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2020-10-07 10:21 quintao New Issue
2020-10-07 14:08 Andrea_Paz Note Added: 0004210
2020-10-07 22:44 PhyllisSmith Note Added: 0004214
2020-10-08 02:09 PhyllisSmith Note Added: 0004217
2020-10-08 02:09 PhyllisSmith Note Edited: 0004217 View Revisions
2020-10-08 10:19 quintao Note Added: 0004220
2020-10-10 07:40 IgorBeg Note Added: 0004232
2020-10-11 02:03 quintao Note Added: 0004234
2020-10-11 08:07 IgorBeg Note Added: 0004236
2020-10-11 18:50 PhyllisSmith Note Added: 0004239
2020-10-11 20:20 PhyllisSmith Assigned To => PhyllisSmith
2020-10-11 20:20 PhyllisSmith Status new => acknowledged
2020-10-13 09:37 quintao Note Added: 0004255