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It works fine for me. |
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From re-reading the notes, I believe this is all resolved unless I missed something in which case, it might be better to open a new issue with just the specifics or a feature request. |
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@IgorB: at this time there is no key to press to Drag&Drop only the clip. Yes, you can use the "Fast" drag in either D&D or Cut&Paste mode. It is the same code because you might want to use that feature in either mode. GG has locally here combined the 2 modes so you only need 1 for testing purposes. He may someday get this to work, but I thought it was confusing because of having to remember keys. |
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GG/Phyllis, thanks for the built Jan 5 2019 15:39:52. "In Drag and drop mode", then the fast Drag&Drop to moves only the clip is lost, I think. To get that we need to uncheck the three options in Settings: "Edits labels", "Edits effects", "keyframes follow edits". Is there a key to press together with LMB to Drag&Drop only the clip? Conversely, in "Cut and paste mode" we can drag&drop with Ctrl+LMB. Is it a redundant? I added two screencast for the two modes: - Timeline_DragAndDrop_moveClip_1.ogv https://streamable.com/be3r4 - Timeline_CutAndPaste_moveClip_1.ogv https://streamable.com/8eib7 |
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@PhyllisSmith I need more time to test the new changes. If you mark the issue/features as resolved I will can not to write about. Give me more time, please. |
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Thank you very much, it works for me as desired. |
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We now have "fast" drag and drop mode that "honors" effects, keyframes, autos, and labels as set in the Settings pulldown. Build for ubuntu16: https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/download/testing/cinelerra-5.1-ub16-x86_64-static.txz Looking for feedback to mark as "resolved" if working correctly as expected. |
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@PhyllisSmith Bravo, that's the solution! The checkmarks are all activated for me. Everything works fine with the red frame. Only in Fast Drag and Drop it doesn't work. If this could be fixed, then Igor and I can set it as we need it. |
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@SAM: we think we have alleviated the limitation as quoted at the end of this sentence as of yesterday's checkin -- "The difference is that in fast drag & drop mode I can also drag a third clip between two existing clips, i.e. I can change the order without having to move these two clips apart. I can also rearrange five different clips without having to drag them apart. I don't have to create any space before to be able to manoeuvre. Especially for this it would be useful to drag the effects. If I mark the clip before and try to drag between two existing clips, I see a red frame which shows me that I cannot place this clip there. That's a limitation". @IgorB and @Sam: Despite this, it would be nice if gg could fix the "fast" drag and drop to work correctly with effects/keyframes and even labels. It currently does not. Look at the Settings pulldown where you will see "edit labels, edit effects, and keyframes follow edits" -- these are supposed to be toggle on/off whether or not they go with the edits or not but do not seem to work. If these were working then both Sam and IgorB would have their personal preference automatically as in: Sam preference - "Usually I want to copy the effects as well, so it would be a good idea if this could be the default, without the need for an additional key combination." IgorB preference "Unfortunately, for me it is the opposite." |
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Sam wrote: "In the latest version, GG has changed it to have the old behavior. In Cut & Paste mode you can activate the selection of the clip with a double click. It is as it was before." Many thanks to you, GG, Phyllis, Sam. Sam I like your words "It is as it was before", it could be an advertising for something at the television or a magazine. I could steal to you that sentence. |
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@IgorBeg More, in the "Cut and Paste editing mode" the old function "double click" on a clip has been changed with Ctrl+dLMB for coherence and I have to change my workflow and remember to my self "hey, you have to press Ctrl key, before!". In the latest version, GG has changed it to have the old behavior. In Cut & Paste mode you can activate the selection of the clip with a double click. It is as it was before. :-) |
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I understand your concern. However, I don't think he is going to change that because the effects are track related. It's one of the particular strengths of Cinelerra compared to the other NLE's. As I understood it, GG has programmed it to always copy the effects section out and paste it back in another place where the clip is pasted. So I go to bed, it's already late. |
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Sam wrote: "in all other common NLE's it's usual that the clip is always copied including effects and keyframes. In Kdenlive the effects are always bound to the clip, as in OpenShot." Sam you are right and I agree with you. But, for example, in Kdenlive and OpenShot, keyframes and effects are always referred to the clip. If I don't wrong in Cinelerra those are referred to the track (more or less). I am afraid that the old functions can be lost or that a conflict on the track occur. But maybe it don't changes. |
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@IgorBeg I can well understand that. The tastes are different, also with the personal workflow and I accept that. But please consider the following, in all other common NLE's it's usual that the clip is always copied including effects and keyframes. In Kdenlive the effects are always bound to the clip, as in OpenShot. It's the same in PP and BMD Davinici Resolve. If I have done the color correction for a clip, then I want to copy this color correction as well, for me it makes no sense to copy or move this clip without the corresponding information of the effects I have already set for this clip. Therefore I will use this procedure more often than the other one. I suppose that's one of the reasons why it's the default for the NLE's mentioned above. I just wanted to say it, but it doesn't have to mean that it should be implemented that way. Maybe GG will come up with a better idea. |
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@Sam Sam: "Usually I want to copy the effects as well, so it would be a good idea if this could be the default, without the need for an additional key combination." Unfortunately, for me it is the opposite. And, I think that for an user add a key means add something (effects, keyframes, copy don't move), do not remove something. Of course, it is only my opinion. More, in the "Cut and Paste editing mode" the old function "double click" on a clip has been changed with Ctrl+dLMB for coherence and I have to change my workflow and remember to my self "hey, you have to press Ctrl key, before!". I know, for that you agreed with me. Thank you for that. |
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Usually I want to copy the effects as well, so it would be a good idea if this could be the default, without the need for an additional key combination. Just like this is the current case. I would only copy without effects in the rarest cases. That's why I would always simplify the steps used by most users. For this reason, I would suggest that the behavior is the other way around. To copy without effects I need a key combination and also to copy the effects alone. Which key combination is best and how to solve it is not so important to me. Yes, there have been many requests, also from my side. The copy paste behaviour was one of my most important wishes. Therefore I wrote again and again to this topic. My wish list has become very small in the meantime (mostly only small things), because GG has already integrated most of the features, which in my opinion were important for the acceptance of Cinelerra. Cinelerra didn't have the best reputation yet. I think with these improvements the reputation will improve in the long run. |
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@Sam I agree with you. Now, we all, have a lot of things, functions. With the new features in Drag&Drop, MMB (Middle Mouse Button) is becoming less important (not the shortcut!). I am afraid that the next suggested (your, mine, and others) new features may need more CPU, and my PCs are very old (almost like me). In Mailing List, if I don't wrong, I suggested the Copy function with Drag&Drop with Ctrl key before drop: I would suggest that if Ctrl key before drop is pressed then the clip/s/group/s without effects are copied. Following you, I would suggest that if Shift key before drop is pressed then only the effects are copied. If Shift+Ctrl before drop are pressed then the clip/s/group/s are copied with effects. To summarize, Ctrl (on drop) is used to copy clip(s) without the effects, Shift (on drop) is used to copy only the effects, and Ctrl+Shift (on drop) is used to copy clip(s) with the effects. I don't know if the great GG can/want do it. (too many request, I think) |
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@IgorBeg That would certainly be a possibility, but I still miss the possibility of a real fast drag & drop with the effects and keyframes, which offers this possibility as I suggested. Your suggestion is a copy & paste action. I am interested in speed. Especially for larger projects, which I have very often, I would prefer a fast drag & drop without having to think long and hard and without having to copy and paste a lot. Copying & pasting 100% is not always avoidable, I am aware of that. Your wish is also to drag clips without dragging the effects, so I would suggest that we use SHIFT (or another key combination) and drag the clip (without effects), that would make more sense in my opinion, because you might want to drag whole groups without effects and we currently do not have this option, if I'm not mistaken. |
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I understand you but... take a look, please https://streamable.com/jyd4d |
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I think Sam's point makes sense. |
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I think with the video I can show it better what I mean by that. https://streamable.com/340wi |
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Thank you for pointing that out. I am aware that this is how it works. The difference is that in fast drag & drop mode I can also drag a third clip between two existing clips, i.e. I can change the order without having to move these two clips apart. I can also rearrange five different clips without having to drag them apart. I don't have to create any space before to be able to manoeuvre. Especially for this it would be useful to drag the effects. If I mark the clip before and try to drag between two existing clips, I see a red frame which shows me that I cannot place this clip there. That's a limitation. Especially when recapitulating the video project, you realize that a slightly different order would be better, but I also want to drag the previous effects without changing the clips behind them. |
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Seems to me that it works right. I wrote in ML about https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/pipermail/cin/2018-December/000090.html Three different mode to move; look at the screencast, please. https://streamable.com/1fru0 The first move only the single clip, the second and the third move the clip/s together keyframes and effects. |
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