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|ID||Project||Category||View Status||Date Submitted||Last Update|
|0000247||Cinelerra-GG||[All Projects] Bug||public||2019-06-15 18:47||2019-08-01 20:37|
|Target Version||Fixed in Version||2019-07|
|Summary||0000247: Mask does not receive keyframes|
The mask does not receive keyframes during editing, only after wild clicking like deactivating OpenGL, but then the data for the respective position is not taken over. Can anyone confirm this?
And also, how do I get an overview of all masks used on a track to see if and how they harmonize with each other? And how do I temporarily switch off the masks on the track in order to be able to continue working at normal tempo (the mask consumes RAM without end, it is already swaping)?
|Steps To Reproduce|
If "generate keyframs while tweeking" is switched on, add a mask and edit this mask elsewhere.
|Tags||In and Out point, Keyframe, Mask|
Resolved in a manner that avoids inadvertent Keyframe Spanning causing problems. This capability may not be useful to many, but the original author added it for a very good reason to avoid a time-consuming/accident prone alternative and gg finds it extremely handy.
IgorB: in answer to this question: "was that feature (no In and Out point have to be there to insert a keyframe) a bug?" - I am not clear on the question but if it was, I think gg would have let me know.
Sam explained the point well. Thanks Sam!
I can understand Igor's reasoning very well. For me this button has no function worth mentioning. If this button would be used very often, I would also understand that it is deposited in the function bar.
IgorB: Also, the rotated keyframe icon seems to fit it well with the Generate keyframes ... and gg is happy with the way it looks, but if you are unhappy with how it looks gg is not opposed to changing it to your design instead.
IgorB: "could you delete the option in timeline and put it in Preferences, please? (and also because the two keyframe icons could now confuse the user) ".
Although it may be a little confusing, the tooltip shows up really fast while hovering the mouse trying to decide! I think it is best as a toggle for 3 reasons. 1 - those using it need to toggle it on and off easily without having to go through a lot of work to use Settings...and a lot of clicking to find it. 2 - it fits in with the rest of the timeline toggles like Generate keyframes and Lock labels as it is something you do and then undo relatively soon so that you do not forget. 3 - since the default has been "allow spanning" for years, we do not want to make it difficult for users who take advantage of this feature to have to search for how to do this -- after all, we are already changing the default to off instead of on so it may already be an inconvenience. Also, if I was to add a 4, it would be that GG uses it and wants it easily accessible.
@PhyllisSmith and Others
Sam says: "disable this function permanently in the settings, so that this accidental overwriting doesn't happen anymore".
OK, the latest GIT checkin has a new toggle on the timeline with the default settings being Off for "Allow keyframe spanning". The toggle is to the right of the "Generate keyframes while tweaking. So when you do want the old behavior, you will have to check this icon On. I will update the local documentation.
A new Ubuntu 16 build is at:
(Now I will try to catch back up on issue 0000002, and then only 200+ more issues to go!!!)
This is indeed a better solution, if it were technically feasible, I would welcome this change.
Re-opening and maybe there is a better implementation strategy to get the feature without the confusion. But I do not know. Initially gg will try to at least remove the keyframe spanning feature from the In/Out pointers and have it take effect ONLY with a marked selection.
I must honestly say that this feature with the inpoint and outpoint and overwrite the keyframes within this range only causes confusion. I have so often mistakenly overwritten existing keyframes because I have set the inpoint and outpoint before and forgot to delete them again. It annoys me again and again. For the intuitive work it is rather disturbing. I use the Inpoint and Outpoint too often and the function of overwriting keyframes in this range not at all. I would very much appreciate it if I could disable this function permanently in the settings, so that this accidental overwriting doesn't happen anymore.
Will add to issue 0000002, a suggestion to be able to enable/disable masks temporarily. IgorB's demo works well to see how all of the masks on a track harmonize.
Happily IgorB was able to deduce what the problem was. Otherwise I would have had to mark this as unable to reproduce, not knowing that the In/Out pointers or a selection was in effect.
KEYFRAME SPANNING was added by the original author in 2010. It is a handy feature but unless you know about it, seems confusing. It was not documented in the cv manual as far as I can tell. It is in section 13.9 of the Secrets of Cinelerra Original manual. I will add it to the gg manual as something like the following quote:
"To change a single parameter in multiple keyframes without changing the other parameters, highlight a region on the timeline and adjust the parameter. Instead of a new keyframe being created, the existing keyframes are modified and only the changed parameter is modified. If does not matter if auto keyframe is enabled. It only works when the keyframe stores multiple parameters. Only mask and effect keyframes do this. Other types of keyframes are generated as usual.
Keyframe spanning for effects & masks:
Thank you Olaf!
Olaf: <i>You immediately recognized that in and out points were set.</i>
Olaf: <i>I would prefer a switch on the dialog of the mask itself.</i>
Igor, I like your short films. You know how to get to the heart of the matter without words. Your videos should become or at least include a manual.
You immediately recognized that in and out points were set. Is it a feature, or isn't that possible from the programming point of view? How should the user recognize the respective behavior of the in and out points?
As far as the overview of the masks is concerned, I would prefer a switch on the dialog of the mask itself. There would be enough space if the redundancy in the upper area were removed. But what do I know, I am now the fool who edits the mask while in and out points were set.
I don't know your workflow and project but I usually use Master track to make trim/cut and a track with shared video where I make ColorGrading and eventually to add Masks (sometimes I use another video track for masks).
Mmmh, It's too late here! Good night.
Now I have marked everything on both tracks except the first keyframe of the masks and applied delete keyframes. The two masks are still there, but have no effect.
|2019-06-15 18:47||Olaf||New Issue|
|2019-06-15 20:59||Olaf||Note Added: 0001728|
|2019-06-15 22:35||IgorBeg||Note Added: 0001729|
|2019-06-16 07:35||Olaf||Note Added: 0001730|
|2019-06-16 07:36||Olaf||Tag Attached: Mask|
|2019-06-16 07:36||Olaf||Tag Attached: In and Out point|
|2019-06-16 07:36||Olaf||Tag Attached: Keyframe|
|2019-06-16 09:35||IgorBeg||Note Added: 0001731|
|2019-06-23 00:24||PhyllisSmith||Note Added: 0001756|
|2019-06-23 00:43||PhyllisSmith||Note Edited: 0001756||View Revisions|
|2019-06-23 00:49||PhyllisSmith||Assigned To||=> PhyllisSmith|
|2019-06-23 00:49||PhyllisSmith||Status||new => resolved|
|2019-06-23 00:49||PhyllisSmith||Resolution||open => no change required|
|2019-06-23 00:49||PhyllisSmith||Note Added: 0001757|
|2019-06-23 09:53||Sam||Note Added: 0001761|
|2019-06-23 13:33||PhyllisSmith||Status||resolved => acknowledged|
|2019-06-23 13:33||PhyllisSmith||Note Added: 0001770|
|2019-06-23 14:00||PhyllisSmith||Note Edited: 0001770||View Revisions|
|2019-06-23 19:49||Sam||Note Added: 0001771|
|2019-07-18 22:29||PhyllisSmith||Note Added: 0001948|
|2019-07-18 22:31||PhyllisSmith||Note Edited: 0001948||View Revisions|
|2019-07-18 22:46||Sam||Note Added: 0001950|
|2019-07-19 06:44||IgorBeg||Note Added: 0001951|
|2019-07-19 15:18||PhyllisSmith||Note Added: 0001952|
|2019-07-19 15:26||PhyllisSmith||Note Added: 0001953|
|2019-07-19 16:28||Sam||Note Added: 0001954|
|2019-07-20 08:43||IgorBeg||Note Added: 0001957|
|2019-07-27 23:55||PhyllisSmith||Status||acknowledged => resolved|
|2019-07-27 23:55||PhyllisSmith||Resolution||no change required => fixed|
|2019-07-27 23:55||PhyllisSmith||Fixed in Version||=> 2019-07|
|2019-07-27 23:55||PhyllisSmith||Note Added: 0001987|
|2019-08-01 20:37||PhyllisSmith||Status||resolved => closed|